--- Log opened Thu Jul 29 00:00:02 2004 00:16 -!- zwi [~zwi@ewa-denver.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:47 -!- sneakerelph [~SneakerEl@ACC1B14B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:30 -!- sneakerelph [~SneakerEl@ACC1B14B.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 03:03 -!- zwi [~zwi@216.88.131.43] has joined #ipodlinux 03:40 -!- macPod [~One800jef@AC938841.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:18 -!- Warini [~Warini@200.72.62.14] has joined #ipodlinux 04:18 < Warini> hi 04:18 < macPod> hi 04:20 < Warini> what happened with the webpage 04:20 < macPod> sourceforge is probably down 04:20 < macPod> that happens every now and then 04:21 < Warini> it's just down 04:21 < macPod> ya 04:21 < macPod> will be back up in a day 04:21 < macPod> or so 04:29 < Warini> well and is there anything new 04:30 < macPod> not that I know of 04:36 -!- Warini [~Warini@200.72.62.14] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:19 -!- macPod [~One800jef@AC938841.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 06:35 -!- |courtc| [~court@adsl-217-66-195.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:35 -!- courtc_ [~court@adsl-155-192-159.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:38 -!- |courtc| is now known as courtc 07:10 -!- tlg [~tlg@21-88.CampusNet.ucl.ac.be] has joined #ipodlinux 07:45 -!- courtc_ [~court@adsl-80-70-28.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:01 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-217-66-195.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:10 -!- exeel [~exeel@220-245-23-59.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:11 < exeel> how do i restart my ipod once i have linux installed? 08:15 < exeel> and by that i mean, how do i boot back into the apple firmware? 08:27 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:27 < oxygen77> hello 08:27 < exeel> hi 08:27 < exeel> it seems everyone is asleep here 08:27 < oxygen77> anybody here programming on ipodlinux 08:27 < oxygen77> ? 08:28 < oxygen77> courtc_, ?? 08:29 < exeel> i plan to be 08:29 < exeel> have to build a toolchain first 08:29 < exeel> and i got skool work due tomorrow 08:29 < exeel> and i only installed a hour ago :) 08:30 < oxygen77> af 08:30 < oxygen77> *arf 08:30 < oxygen77> I need some info in the toolchain 08:30 < oxygen77> you build the one from sf website? 08:30 < exeel> the toolchain is targeted at arm 08:31 < exeel> i had a whole heap of pages open, but they are all gone 08:31 < exeel> what do you need to know? 08:31 < oxygen77> well, it's a bit complicated 08:32 < oxygen77> I'm not working on ipodlinux but on a similar project for archos products 08:32 < oxygen77> I've seen that ipodlinux can comile code with pthread, but my toolchain can't 08:33 < oxygen77> so I wanted to know where ipodlinux's toolchain comes from 08:33 < normalperson> oxygen77: leachbj posted a fixed libpthread.a on the forums somewhere 08:33 < oxygen77> k thx 08:33 < oxygen77> will look for this file 08:37 < oxygen77> ipodlinux forum is dead :( 08:39 < exeel> yeap 08:39 < exeel> im not much of a developer unfortunately 08:44 < normalperson> oxygen77: I can send you a binary, but you'll have to trust that my system isn't trojaned or anything 08:44 < oxygen77> :) 08:45 < oxygen77> thx a lot 08:45 < normalperson> you're welcome, took me a while to find it 08:45 < normalperson> /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/libpthread.a 08:47 < oxygen77> works perfect with my toolchain now I can compile with the -lpthread flag 08:47 < oxygen77> thx a lot 08:51 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Cho"] 08:52 < normalperson> cool 08:57 -!- oxygen77 [~chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:11 -!- oxygen77 [~chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:13 -!- oxygen77 [~chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:26 -!- oxygen77 [~chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:27 -!- guru3-zzz is now known as guru3 11:02 < exeel> do i have to have a getty loaded to run a sh? 11:04 < guru3> probably 11:04 < guru3> but i can't say for sure 11:04 < guru3> as i'm not really an expert 11:07 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:08 < exeel> im trying to run it on boot, but i spose i should try passing a help option to it, cos it exits straight after execution 11:09 < exeel> grr, it means i have to reboot to test it 11:38 < normalperson> guru3: no, if you only want to run one sh, you don't need getty 11:39 < normalperson> err.. exeel 11:39 < normalperson> :) 11:39 < normalperson> is there even a getty in ipodlinux? I don't recall 11:39 < normalperson> no, everything is started from init 12:18 < exeel> normalperson: i dont think there is 12:19 < exeel> but, i found a post on the forums which say that you shouldnt call sh, just call podzilla from /etc/rc 12:19 < exeel> its cool, i got it up 12:20 < exeel> trying to find an arm toolchain for my distro, gentoo 12:20 < exeel> dl a binary now 12:21 < oxygen77> exeel, you can probably use the one from uclinux website 12:23 < exeel> is there a libc for ipod? 12:23 < exeel> or would that just be for arm? 12:23 < oxygen77> for arm I guess 12:25 < exeel> like i said, not much of a developer, i just know that libc holds basic calls - wether they are directed at the kernel or not, i dont know 12:25 < exeel> does anyone here know? 12:26 < oxygen77> a libc should be build using kernel headers 12:26 < oxygen77> so using uclinux toolchain will give you access to standards call 12:26 < oxygen77> not ipod specific ones 12:29 < exeel> which would just be implemented in the kernel itself anyway, right? 12:30 < oxygen77> probably 12:50 < exeel> is there any reason why the system partition is so small? 12:50 < exeel> does the sda2 partition need to start at a certain point? 13:16 < exeel> hmm, im having a little trouble with the script from uclinux 13:18 < oxygen77> as I told you I can't help u with ipod specific things 13:33 < exeel> what about a Exec format error 13:34 < exeel> ? 13:35 < oxygen77> what is the error? 13:36 < exeel> BINFMT_FLAT: bad magic/rev 13:37 < oxygen77> what is the prog you try to run 13:37 < oxygen77> do you build it yourself? 13:38 < exeel> its just a hello world i used to test the toolchain i made 13:38 < exeel> i just compiled with the binary 13:39 < oxygen77> k 13:39 < exeel> i asumed i didnt need any extra build flags 13:39 < oxygen77> what flag did you use? 13:39 < exeel> none 13:40 < oxygen77> can you copy/paste the line you use to build the file? 13:40 < exeel> arm-none-elf-gcc was the prog i used.. 13:40 < oxygen77> k 13:40 < oxygen77> that's enough 13:40 < exeel> arm-none-elf-gcc hello.c -o tryme 13:40 < oxygen77> first buile a .o with arm-none-elf-gcc hello.c 13:41 < oxygen77> then link it with arm-none-elf-gcc -Wl -elf2flt hello.o -o tryme 13:43 < exeel> cool, thanks 13:43 < exeel> just trying to find the source file first :) 13:44 < oxygen77> uclinux is not using elf binaries but flat, so you need the -elf2flt option 13:45 < exeel> -Wl seems to not like me 13:47 < exeel> is there some flag i should be passing to build an object(?) - .o file to the original compile - it gives me an a.out 13:48 < oxygen77> oups 13:48 < oxygen77> my mistake, use this: arm-none-elf-gcc -c hello.c 13:48 < exeel> ahh 13:51 < exeel> it says it cant find symbol lf2flt - is that likely to annoy? 13:51 < exeel> its only a warning, ill soldier on 13:52 < oxygen77> yup 13:52 < oxygen77> and that's why you need the -Wl 13:53 < exeel> arm-none-elf-gcc -Wl -elf2flt hello.o -o try - thats ad verbatim 13:55 < exeel> arm-none-elf-gcc -Wl -elf2flt hello.o -o try 13:56 < exeel> sorry for the flood, that was a copy paste - it was just for comparison 13:58 < exeel> it cant find the elf2flt file, so im assuming its a problem with my toolchain, which isnt the uclinux one 13:58 < oxygen77> yup 13:58 < oxygen77> you need to build a toolchain which supports flat format 14:05 < exeel> you wouldnt have a link to one, would you? 14:05 < oxygen77> as I told u get the one from uclinux website 14:06 < oxygen77> http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/arm-elf-tools/ 14:06 < oxygen77> I currently use arm-elf-tools-20030314.sh 14:06 < exeel> It still provides flat format shared libraries for the m68k tool chain, the arm folks will have to wait a while longer yet. 14:06 < oxygen77> what do you mean 14:06 < oxygen77> ? 14:06 < exeel> the script returns an error about +43 not being in gzip format 14:07 < exeel> thats a quote from the site... obviously it must work if you are using it though 14:07 < oxygen77> yup 14:08 < exeel> did you have any troubles with the script? 14:09 < oxygen77> no 14:12 < exeel> no arguments? 14:20 < exeel> sorry for being an idiot and bugging - im a noob; but its workign now :) 14:21 < oxygen77> cool 14:23 < Stereo> the topic for #debianppc is "Debian PPC - Think of it as a perpetual IQ test". I think it applies to #ipodlinux too. We're all newbies here, exeel, don't apologise 14:24 < exeel> no, literally, i installed a matter of hours ago :) ive only had an ipod for 2 days 14:24 < exeel> but thanks anyway 14:24 < exeel> :) 14:25 < oxygen77> np 14:25 < exeel> huzzah! 14:25 < exeel> oxygen77: thanks heaps :) 14:26 < exeel> hello world! 14:26 < oxygen77> :) 14:26 < Stereo> exeel: a 4g iPod? 14:26 < exeel> 3g 14:26 < Stereo> ah 14:27 < exeel> they were cheap and i got accessories 14:27 < Stereo> I suppose you got a good deal on it :D 14:27 < exeel> yeah, as good a deal as one gets on apple hardware 14:27 < Stereo> I stuck with my 2g because I hated the 3g's buttons and the 2g worked fine 14:28 < Stereo> now battery life is down a bit, I might give it to my brother and get a 4g. I wonder whether linux will work on it. Different hardware inside apparently. 14:31 < exeel> on the ipodlinux home page they something about 4g not working *yet*, but im not game to try - especially cos i brought one just to put linux on it 14:34 -!- tittof [tittof@jane.inputcafe.de] has joined #ipodlinux 14:37 < exeel> do any of you access you pod's through eth1394? 14:37 < Stereo> exeel: it doesn't work on mac os x so I don't :/ 14:39 < exeel> os x user? cool 14:39 < exeel> ima cheepo linux boy 14:40 < exeel> although i really wouldnt mind a g4 notebook 14:49 < Stereo> they're very nice beasts 14:50 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:10 < exeel> i really like the idea of a no effort, very pretty unix 15:10 < exeel> with some nice support 15:10 < exeel> and apple truly are great hardware engineers 15:10 < Stereo> you could get an older powerbook for relatively cheap 15:10 < exeel> i can see the thought thats gone into a lot of their designs 15:11 < exeel> i live in aus... its still prohibitively expensive 15:11 < Stereo> throw a new battery in if the existing one is fudged, add some ram, and bob is your mother's brother 15:11 < Stereo> ah 15:12 < exeel> but os x is very nice, and im alowed to dream (after all, it is unix :)) 15:13 < Stereo> iBook then maybe? 15:28 < exeel> yeah 15:28 < exeel> my ipod is crashing now 15:29 < exeel> as soon as hostname command runs, it reboots 15:29 < exeel> the next line in rc is mount proc 15:29 < exeel> any ideas? 15:43 < exeel> does anyone know of a c call that will just wait for like 2 seconds, and then continue? 15:48 < tittof> how many ticks is a second? 15:53 < exeel> no idea 15:53 < exeel> methinks it would depend on your cpu... do you have some ideas? 15:58 < exeel> i really only need it for a bash script .. it takes around 2 seconds till i cant mount /dev/sda3 after modprobing sbp2 16:04 < tittof> man sleep 16:05 < tittof> but what will u do in case it takes longer than 2 second? 16:05 < exeel> thanx heaps 16:05 < exeel> it doesnt, i count it every time i reboot :( 16:06 < tittof> if the modprobe fails u initiate a reboot? 16:06 < exeel> no, i need to reboot to access 16:07 < exeel> i put it into hard drive mode to access the linux partition 16:08 < exeel> is this not the norm? 16:10 < tittof> why dont u wait for the rc of modprobe 16:10 < tittof> if [ /whatever/modprobe ] 16:10 < tittof> dunno the parameters 16:11 < exeel> hmm, i just use modprobe sbp2 && whatever 16:11 < tittof> ah now i see 16:11 < exeel> i figured that would wait until everything is cool, and that the lag is udev catching up 16:22 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [" WOW! 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