--- Log opened Sun Jul 04 00:00:01 2004 00:01 -!- OoSLink [~OoTLink@ppp-67-116-228-53.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:28 -!- OoTLink [~OoTLink@ppp-67-116-228-136.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:35 -!- jlje [~agp@AMontpellier-202-1-1-238.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 02:41 -!- jlj [~agp@AMontpellier-202-1-2-129.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:48 -!- Demonic-Monkey [~forbesnat@adsl-68-122-75-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:49 -!- Demonic-Monkey [~forbesnat@adsl-68-122-75-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:10 -!- jlje [~agp@AMontpellier-202-1-1-238.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:18 -!- forbesnation [~forbesnat@adsl-68-122-75-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:18 < forbesnation> anyone home? 03:19 < court> yerp 03:20 < court> whats up? 03:20 < forbesnation> well my Podzilla ca ndiplay images and all that fine, but it wont recognize my music 03:21 < court> ok, what format is your music? 03:21 < forbesnation> mp3 or wav 03:21 < forbesnation> no, no wavs actually 03:22 < court> and it womt recognise the mp3s? 03:22 < forbesnation> or the playlists 03:22 < forbesnation> but on the apple FW they play fine 03:22 < forbesnation> Ive reinstalled 03:22 < court> ....... 03:23 < court> are you using the filebrowser to browse to them? 03:23 < forbesnation> no, the playlist button 03:23 < forbesnation> or does it not recognize playlists? 03:24 < court> that doesnt currently work.. 03:24 < forbesnation> ah, then what directory is the music under? 03:24 -!- BlindSpy [~blindspy@69-171-94-190.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:25 < court> win ipod? or mac? 03:26 < forbesnation> no to browse the music files, which directory are the music in? 03:27 < court> did you use the windows installer? 03:27 < forbesnation> ah, windows 03:28 < court> ... check in /hp/ipod_c~1/music/f* 03:29 -!- macPod [~One800jef@ACC8516F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:29 < court> hey macPod 03:29 < macPod> hey 03:29 < macPod> how's the cornbread? 03:29 < court> all gome! 03:30 < court> how is the mac installer going? 03:30 < macPod> done 03:30 < macPod> just finishing up the readme and I am done 03:31 < forbesnation> I cant get into my hp file anymore 03:31 < forbesnation> strange 03:31 < court> ? 03:31 < forbesnation> its just running really slow, I dont know, I think Ill reinstall again 03:33 < court> welcome to linux where reinstalling is not the solution to everything... 03:33 * forbesnation is a linux n00b 03:35 < court> don't worry, according to the ipodlinux forums im a n00b also... 03:35 < macPod> :P 03:35 < forbesnation> ;-) 03:37 < forbesnation> its not accessing a lot of the folders in the file-browser 03:37 < macPod> http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=226 03:37 < macPod> that is hillarious 03:37 < court> does it refuse to.. or do the not appear 03:38 < court> macPod, yea i saw that.. 03:38 < forbesnation> well it only says I have 19 songs once it does load, and I have 2000 in apple FW, most mp3 03:39 < court> there are 91 folders maybe? 03:39 < court> oops 19 03:39 < forbesnation> Ill check again, this is why some friends of mine are going to teach me linux 03:39 < court> each with about 80 songs in them? 03:40 < forbesnation> Im about the ehck (this thing is nowhere near running in real-time) 03:41 < court> no its not... but neither am i ;) 03:41 < forbesnation> you were right, thanks a lot, but god damnit it doesnt use the tags 03:42 < court> im workingt on that ;) 03:42 < forbesnation> sound leaves some to be desired too 03:43 < forbesnation> or is that my headphones 03:43 < forbesnation> how do I turn it down? 03:43 < court> someone else is working on that.. 03:43 < court> move you headphones futher away from your ears ;) 03:43 < forbesnation> lol 03:44 < macPod> heh 03:44 < forbesnation> if I knew enough C id right a program that would shuffle images like a screen saver whilst music is playing 03:45 < macPod> that would kill cpu 03:45 < macPod> already it does not do realtime 03:45 < macPod> :P 03:45 < forbesnation> yeah, suppose your right, but itd be cool 03:45 < macPod> I bet you would put porn on it 03:45 < court> hah 03:46 < normalperson> an OpenGL visualizer :) 03:46 < macPod> lol, yea right 03:46 < forbesnation> lol 03:46 < court> good luck with that! 03:47 < forbesnation> Id just have some pics going, matrix, anime, friends and family 03:47 < forbesnation> NOT preforming sexual acts 03:47 < macPod> anime eh? 03:47 < court> all in 4 shades of gray 03:47 < macPod> mmm 03:47 < macPod> it looks good on my iPod :P 03:47 < normalperson> grr... I just wasted a lot of time reimplementing something akin to pthread_key* :( 03:48 < court> * 03:48 < normalperson> none of the pthreads tutorials I looked at told me anything about pthread keys 03:48 < normalperson> man 3 pthread_specific 03:48 < forbesnation> not anime in motion obviously, still frames of characters 03:48 < macPod> hmmm 03:49 < normalperson> o_O, but my implementation is compatible with the fork() model, too 03:49 < macPod> alright, everything is done with this iPod installer except I don't have all the games etc. 03:49 < macPod> and the newest version of podzilla 03:49 < macPod> anybody happen to have a list of all the newest goods? 03:50 < court> get the cvs... 03:50 < normalperson> mpd + flac isn't ready yet 03:50 < macPod> well.. I want fairly stable stuff 03:50 < normalperson> when you guys play ogg/mp3s and it's not real time, does the actual music sound warped, or is it stuttery? 03:51 < court> it's more stable than i am 03:51 < macPod> stutterisgh 03:51 < court> nice word 03:51 < court> that explains it well... 03:53 < macPod> is "4 Gewinnt" done? 03:53 < macPod> hmmm 03:53 < macPod> that looks like it is podzilla 03:54 < macPod> or rather someone elses podzilla... this is why we need to get stuff organized 03:54 < court> yea ipod-desktop wtf... 03:55 -!- sneakerelph [~SneakerEl@ACC6D22A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:55 < sneakerelph> i have made an important discovery 03:55 < sneakerelph> well, maybe you already knew 03:55 < court> tell us 03:55 < sneakerelph> but i didnt! 03:55 < sneakerelph> zip files 03:55 < sneakerelph> add a password 03:55 < sneakerelph> secure, right? 03:55 < sneakerelph> no 03:56 < sneakerelph> say my password was tyler 03:56 < macPod> actually ipod desktop looks better than podzilla 03:56 < sneakerelph> absolve also works 03:56 < macPod> cause programs are dynamically loaded 03:56 < forbesnation> where is ipod desktop? 03:56 < macPod> http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=205 03:56 < macPod> it is crap 03:56 < macPod> but the concept is better 03:56 < court> yup, yup 03:56 < forbesnation> well Im just using podzilla for fun, might as well take a look-see 03:56 < sneakerelph> for every password, there is a complementary password 03:57 < sneakerelph> so, next time you password protect your zip file 03:57 < sneakerelph> its not so secure 03:57 < forbesnation> lol 03:57 < sneakerelph> just so you know 03:58 < sneakerelph> thats with the built in password adding winxp has 03:58 < sneakerelph> so maybe microsoft just wants to crack your password faster 03:58 < forbesnation> 4gentwit = connect four? 03:58 < court> yea 03:58 < forbesnation> thats what I thought 03:59 < forbesnation> some one said four in a row 04:06 -!- forbesnation [~forbesnat@adsl-68-122-75-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["-=SysReset 2.53=-"] 04:07 -!- mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip68-9-107-57.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:11 -!- sneakerelph [~SneakerEl@ACC6D22A.ipt.aol.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:20 -!- KuRcZ [~KuRcZ@d57-11-97.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:20 < KuRcZ> hey guys 04:20 < macPod> hey 04:20 < KuRcZ> any updates? 04:21 < court> macPod hate cornbread... 04:21 < KuRcZ> is there anymore games out? 04:21 < macPod> yea 04:22 < court> dunno which ones do you know about? 04:22 < KuRcZ> what onse are out? 04:22 < KuRcZ> whats new for ipodlinx then? 04:22 < court> you first ;) 04:22 < KuRcZ> i only have the onse that the original thing came with 04:23 < court> othello, bluecube(tetris), 4gentwit(connect 4) 04:24 < court> original thing? 04:24 < KuRcZ> i downloaded the original download i didnt get anymore games 04:24 < KuRcZ> wheres connect 4? 04:24 < KuRcZ> i only have the first 2? 04:25 < court> on the forum somewhere... 04:25 < KuRcZ> wheres a good place to learn C? 04:26 < court> so xmms just froze... killall xmms..... 04:26 < KuRcZ> yea, xmms frezzes on me a lot too 04:26 < KuRcZ> court: what distro you running? 04:27 < court> so killall just froze... kill -9 `pidof killall` 04:27 < court> so my mouse stopped moving... 04:27 < KuRcZ> lol 04:27 < KuRcZ> court: what distro you running? 04:28 < court> debian/slackware 04:28 < KuRcZ> is that good? 04:28 < KuRcZ> ive got mandrake 10 04:28 < court> so numlock doesnt work ;( 04:29 < court> yea i switch between the two more than is healthy 04:29 < court> reboot... GRUB loading please wait... Error 17 04:30 < KuRcZ> which one is better? 04:30 < court> better for what? 04:30 < KuRcZ> overall 04:30 < court> hard to say... 04:31 < court> slackware is much cleaner... 04:31 < court> debian is.. well i love apt-get 04:32 < KuRcZ> apt-get? whatsa that? 04:32 < court> apt-get install xmms 04:32 < court> will install xmms 04:32 < court> apt-get remove xmms 04:32 < court> will... wel you get the idea 04:33 < KuRcZ> ohh 04:34 < court> very easy.. it will resolve any dependances 04:34 < KuRcZ> what gui do you use? eg. kde, gnome, etc... 04:34 -!- flakzeus [~flakzeus@gso26-134-128.triad.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:34 < flakzeus> anyone around? 04:34 < KuRcZ> me 04:35 < KuRcZ> and court 04:35 < macPod> yea 04:35 < flakzeus> i have a quick question, is it possible to turn off the an ipod (hold down play) ? 04:35 < flakzeus> with linux on it of course 04:35 < macPod> from the apple os yes 04:35 < macPod> from linux, no 04:36 < KuRcZ> mac, you have linux? on your pc that is 04:36 < flakzeus> hrm, i see so you can't shut it down 04:36 < flakzeus> ? 04:36 < KuRcZ> yes you can 04:36 < macPod> I use a mac 04:36 < macPod> and do not have a pc 04:36 < KuRcZ> you have to hit reboot 04:36 < macPod> well that's not really turning it off 04:36 < court> KuRcZ, fluxbox/gnome/custom 04:36 < macPod> 3just reboting ;P 04:37 < KuRcZ> whats custom? your own? 04:37 < flakzeus> i'm guessing they are working on a way to shut it down? :) 04:37 < court> well yes some additionall stufff of my own 04:37 < KuRcZ> how do you make that stuff? 04:38 < macPod> with blood and sweat :O 04:38 < court> scripts/c/hatchet 04:38 < KuRcZ> man, i goota learn to programm 04:38 < KuRcZ> lol 04:38 < macPod> learn c first 04:38 < KuRcZ> ok 04:38 < KuRcZ> easy? 04:39 < KuRcZ> i kinda know some php 04:39 < macPod> yea, it is pretty easy 04:39 < flakzeus> i wouldn't say c is easy if it's your first lang 04:39 < macPod> well 04:39 < KuRcZ> i know a few 04:39 < macPod> I would avoid realbasic and those languages 04:39 < flakzeus> c and php are similar to me 04:39 < KuRcZ> i know html, irc scripting, javascript, actionscripting (kinda) php 04:39 < macPod> those just tend to enforce bad practices 04:39 < court> english/japanese/spanish 04:39 < KuRcZ> and qbasic 04:39 < macPod> c is similar to javascript in some regard 04:40 < KuRcZ> so i should be alright? 04:40 < normalperson> Learning Perl is a good way to learn C imo 04:40 < KuRcZ> yea, i wanna learn perl as well 04:40 < KuRcZ> and c/c++ 04:40 < court> and python/c#/d/BASIC... 04:41 < court> oh wait.. 04:41 < KuRcZ> ? 04:41 < macPod> NO C# 04:41 < court> i hate those 04:41 < macPod> I won't tolerate it 04:41 < KuRcZ> what is it? 04:42 < macPod> windowz language 04:42 < flakzeus> C# is microsofts take at C 04:42 < flakzeus> it's crap 04:42 < KuRcZ> ew 04:42 < KuRcZ> m$ == shit 04:42 < KuRcZ> lol 04:42 < normalperson> python isn't bad 04:42 < court> microsofts version of c =+ 2 04:42 < flakzeus> thanks for the info guys 04:42 < normalperson> I need to learn that language everybody refers to on Ebay: A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 04:42 < flakzeus> i'm out 04:43 < normalperson> but I can't find any books or compilers for it :/ 04:43 < macPod> normalperson, that was terrible 04:43 -!- flakzeus [~flakzeus@gso26-134-128.triad.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 04:43 < macPod> I would learn objective-c if I were you 04:43 < court> c first.. 04:43 < KuRcZ> objective c? 04:43 < macPod> yea 04:43 < KuRcZ> whats that?? 04:44 < court> ooc 04:44 < macPod> yea 04:44 < macPod> and very good 04:44 < KuRcZ> what can i do with it? 04:44 < normalperson> I have a hard time using the object-oriented mindset :/ 04:45 < court> count to three at least twice... 04:45 < KuRcZ> ? 04:46 < court> you asked what you could do with it... 04:46 < macPod> make massive distributed system easily 04:46 < court> make very distractive programs easily 04:47 < macPod> If we had a object-c arm compiler, I would have suggested we use gnustep 04:48 < KuRcZ> meh 04:48 < KuRcZ> ill leartn perl then C 04:48 < KuRcZ> is VB any good? 04:48 < macPod> NO! 04:48 < KuRcZ> okie 04:48 < KuRcZ> lol 04:48 < court> hdb: drive not ready for command 04:49 < macPod> only loosers and people named larry use vb 04:49 < KuRcZ> my names larry!!!!! 04:49 < KuRcZ> lol 04:49 < KuRcZ> jk 04:49 < KuRcZ> its Jeff 04:49 < macPod> ... 04:49 < court> my os is on hdb :( 04:49 < macPod> is it reall? 04:49 < KuRcZ> yes 04:49 < macPod> ah, well same here 04:50 < macPod> so... you are going to need to get a new name 04:50 < KuRcZ> screw you 04:50 < court> heh 04:50 < KuRcZ> its mine frist! 04:50 < KuRcZ> lol 04:50 < macPod> how old are you son? 04:50 < court> :'( 04:50 < KuRcZ> 17 04:50 < KuRcZ> lol 04:50 < KuRcZ> you? 04:50 < macPod> well damn straight then I beat you by one year 04:50 < KuRcZ> damn 04:51 < macPod> lol 04:51 < court> lol younguns 04:51 < KuRcZ> o.0 04:51 < normalperson> my _keyboard_ turns 17 in 11 days :P 04:51 < court> i've got a whole year on you macPod 04:51 < KuRcZ> lol 04:52 < macPod> damn 04:52 < court> my primary master just failed :'( 04:52 < KuRcZ> is KDE any good? 04:52 < court> for suckers... 04:52 < macPod> btter than gnome 04:53 < KuRcZ> ive used fluxbox before 04:53 < KuRcZ> its kinda hard 04:53 < KuRcZ> but im a n00b 04:53 < normalperson> fvwm > * 04:54 < KuRcZ> what? 04:54 < normalperson> F Window Manager (www.FVWM.org) 04:54 < normalperson> err.. Virtual :) 04:55 < court> waimea <= * 04:55 < KuRcZ> that looks pretty sweet dude 04:56 < macPod> I prefer aqua :P 04:56 < KuRcZ> i wish i were better at computers :/ 04:56 < KuRcZ> aqua? 04:56 < court> macPod, try linux.. :) 04:56 < macPod> the mac os x interface 04:56 < macPod> I have 04:56 < court> and.. 04:56 < KuRcZ> i like mac os look 04:56 < macPod> I used macs at home 04:56 < macPod> linux at school 04:57 < macPod> I am competent in windows, a guru at macs 04:57 < court> OMFG my computer wont work.... 04:57 < macPod> keen with linux 04:57 < court> keen... i like keen 04:57 < macPod> but overally prefer macs 04:57 < macPod> cause they work 04:57 < macPod> windows is crap 04:57 < macPod> linux works, but is a pain in the ass 04:57 < court> yup, yup 04:58 < court> solaris? 04:58 < KuRcZ> anyone know how to install java on linux? 04:58 < court> yup 04:58 < court> just curious? 04:58 < macPod> solaris I have gotten to boot up 04:58 < macPod> but nothing farther as I don't have a sun box 04:59 < KuRcZ> wtf is a sun box? 04:59 < macPod> sun.com 04:59 < macPod> sun computers 04:59 < macPod> I want their 300K computer 04:59 < court> funny cause they make java 04:59 < court> yea no shit... 04:59 < court> so d\o i 04:59 < macPod> no you don't :P 05:00 < macPod> you just think you do. 05:00 < court> um... ok 05:00 < KuRcZ> guys....how do i view a jpg in ipodlinux? 05:00 < court> middle button... 05:00 < macPod> search for it, select it, then hit the middle buton 05:00 < normalperson> SUN stuff is is well-engineered but ridiculously overpriced, kinda like Apple for the server market 05:01 < court> omg im so useless... im gonna go sit in the corner... 05:01 < KuRcZ> can i come court? 05:01 < KuRcZ> im just as useful 05:02 < macPod> Actually 05:02 < macPod> apple has good server prices 05:02 < macPod> and if you need proof 05:02 < macPod> look at the third fastest supercomputer in the world 05:02 < macPod> which was cheaper to build by quite a bit than a dell supercomputer 05:03 < macPod> and the dell is slower 05:03 < macPod> by a good sum as well 05:03 < normalperson> I didn't even know Apple sold servers 05:03 < macPod> yup 05:03 < court> dell sucks my ... 05:03 < KuRcZ> hey guys, http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/krumn_fluxbox.jpg 05:03 < KuRcZ> what is the side bar that has the cpu monitor and stuff? 05:03 < macPod> Hey I got a unrelated q 05:03 < macPod> anybody watch cowboybebop? 05:04 < KuRcZ> nope 05:04 < macPod> :D 05:04 < court> never... 05:04 < normalperson> nope, I don't watch TV 05:04 < KuRcZ> never even heard of it 05:04 < macPod> meh 05:04 < macPod> I've got it on, it's entertainment to say the least 05:04 < court> KuRcZ, didnt look but its either gkrellm of gdesklets 05:05 < KuRcZ> does it come with fluxbox? 05:05 < court> nope 05:05 < KuRcZ> oh 05:05 * court crawls back to his corner 05:11 * KuRcZ goes with court 05:12 < court> alright, i wont be able to work in the itunes parser since i lost my hd with all the code... until i replace my hd not much is going to happen... so it could be awhile just FYI 05:13 < normalperson> ouch :( 05:15 < KuRcZ> i dont even know whats going on 05:15 < KuRcZ> lol 05:15 * KuRcZ goes back to the courner 05:17 < normalperson> hmm... I wonder if it would be possible to make mpd use the itunesDB 05:17 < normalperson> but then again, I don't use itunes at all :/ 05:27 -!- macPod [~One800jef@ACC8516F.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["bleh"] 05:29 -!- mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip68-9-107-57.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:30 -!- KuRcZ [~KuRcZ@d57-11-97.home.cgocable.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Kopete 0.8.0 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 05:36 -!- KuRcZ [~KuRcZ@d57-11-97.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:36 < KuRcZ> hey guys, back 05:36 < KuRcZ> ui put fluxbox on :D 05:37 < KuRcZ> i just find this really wired 05:37 < KuRcZ> weird 05:37 < court> whoops... 05:37 < KuRcZ> ? 05:38 < court> didnt mean to finger you... 05:38 < KuRcZ> oh 05:38 < KuRcZ> lol 05:42 < court> ,????.,????.,????.,????.,????.,????.! bored... 05:43 < KuRcZ> me too 05:44 < KuRcZ> i think im gunna go to bed now 05:44 < KuRcZ> ttyl 05:44 < court> night 05:44 < KuRcZ> night 05:46 -!- KuRcZ [~KuRcZ@d57-11-97.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed Sun Jul 04 06:05:36 2004 --- Log opened Sun Jul 04 13:48:04 2004 14:06 -!- matz-josh [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 14:06 -!- EvilDude [~prashant_@CPE-138-130-21-43.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #iPodLinux 14:13 -!- EvilDude [~prashant_@CPE-138-130-21-43.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:16 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:16 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 14:20 -!- EvilDude [~prashant_@CPE-138-130-21-43.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 14:20 < EvilDude> hey all 14:20 < leachbj> hey 14:21 < EvilDude> Is there any way for Windows users like me to develop apps for iPod? 14:22 < leachbj> probably using cygwin cross compiler... I was just checkon the uclinux.org website. 14:22 < EvilDude> Oh so that works on Window too? =D 14:23 < leachbj> yeah, they have an experimental gcc3 toolchain for cygwin but its for m68k not arm... 14:23 < leachbj> see http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/m68k-elf-tools/gcc-3/ 14:24 < leachbj> maybe try emailing Bernardo (not me, the guy mentioned on that webpage ;) ) 14:25 < EvilDude> lol ok, so basically I get the actual toolchain and compile that using Cygwin? 14:25 < leachbj> yup... the gcc3 stuff isn't real solid (it doesn't work at all for me under linux) so if you have Cygwin installed you should be able to build the cross compiler. 14:26 < EvilDude> ok well i'll try that tomorrow, time to sleep now 14:26 < leachbj> ok. night! 14:26 < EvilDude> nite, thanks for your help 14:27 -!- EvilDude [~prashant_@CPE-138-130-21-43.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:03 < court> hello... 15:04 < leachbj> hey court 15:04 < court> hows it going? 15:05 < leachbj> yeah ok, just trying to setup my vpn... not too much ipod stuff going on today for me. 15:06 < court> none for me for a while.. :( 15:07 < leachbj> your development environment dead? 15:08 < court> yea.. 15:08 < leachbj> crap... 15:09 < court> yea its no fun... 15:28 -!- dpalffy [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has joined #ipodlinux 15:28 < leachbj> hey dplaffy! 15:28 < dpalffy> hi bern! 15:28 < leachbj> hows things? 15:29 < dpalffy> nothing interesting - working quite hard to have some free time in the summer and have the money to have some holiday... 15:30 < dpalffy> i've just looked at ucdot.org - 2.6.7-uc0 is out... 15:33 < leachbj> but no arm version yet... i spoke with Hyok during the week he said he hoped to have one ready soon. 15:34 < dpalffy> arm is in the mainline uclinux now - the diff begins with +++ linux-2.6.7-uc0/arch/armnommu/boot/bootp/bootp.lds 15:35 < leachbj> oh... maybe I should have looked a bit closer! 15:36 < leachbj> oh hey, before I forget. have you updated your pc to 2.6.7? 15:37 < dpalffy> i have 2.6.7-mm5 right now, but i'll up/downgrade 'cause suspend to disk doesn't work now - it was ok with mm1. 15:38 < leachbj> I updated to 2.6.7 (vanilla) last week and firewire seems much less stable... I also cant get ipodeth1394 working :( 15:39 < dpalffy> i never had any problem with ipodeth, but it's sometimes quite hard to make sbp2 work... 15:39 < leachbj> hmmm... did you build it from the cvs version? 15:40 < dpalffy> but wait a minute, i'll check it again with this kernel... 15:40 < leachbj> hey court: what do you think about merging your patch into podzilla? if I do that can you make patches from that version easily enough? 15:41 < dpalffy> it's current cvs - just checked it. 15:42 -!- |court| [~court@68.215.203.189] has joined #ipodlinux 15:43 -!- court [~court@68.215.242.85] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:44 < matz-josh> ipodeth1394 works for me with kernel 2.6.7. But it is very slow. It takes about one minute to transfer the podzilla binary with wget. During the transfer my PC is unusable slow and my syslog is filled with errormesages 15:44 < dpalffy> ipodeth1394 is fine on my kernel. 15:45 < leachbj> strange, I wonder why it didn't work for me... matz-josh are you using 2.6.7 vanilla? 15:45 < matz-josh> yes 15:45 < leachbj> ok, I'll give it another go... 15:47 < leachbj> originally I had a conflict between kmem_cache from eth1394 and our module since they are both called packet_task... did you guys have that? 15:49 < dpalffy> i never load both of them... actually i have eth1394 aliased to ipodeth1394 in modprobe.conf 15:50 < dpalffy> and podzilla binary is transferred in about 10 secs 15:50 < dpalffy> and no single message in syslog. 15:51 < dpalffy> oh, i don't use wget, just netcat - i was lazy to set up apache :) 15:52 < |court|> i cant get the ipod to switch nodes on 2.6.6 15:52 -!- |court| is now known as court 15:53 < court> its always 01 15:54 < dpalffy> this is what i have (ipod plugged in while rebooting to linux): 15:54 < dpalffy> ieee1394: Initialized config rom entry `ip1394' 15:54 < dpalffy> ohci1394: $Rev: 1223 $ Ben Collins 15:54 < dpalffy> PCI: Enabling device 0000:05:00.0 (0000 -> 0002) 15:54 < dpalffy> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:05:00.0 to 64 15:54 < dpalffy> ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.1 (PCI): IRQ=[11] MMIO=[11004000-110047ff] Max Packet=[2048] 15:54 < dpalffy> ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[000000000000688b] 15:54 < dpalffy> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023 15:54 < dpalffy> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 15:54 < dpalffy> ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023] GUID[00000000024f3638] 15:54 < dpalffy> ipodeth1394: $Rev: 546 $ Ben Collins 15:54 < dpalffy> ipodeth1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (ohci1394) 15:55 < court> mine always changes to 0-01 15:57 < court> oh wow i got 0-00 woohoo 15:57 -!- matz-josh [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["rebooting"] 15:57 < leachbj> ok aliasing seems like a good idea, that would solve that problem. 16:00 -!- matz-josh [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 16:01 < court> oh boo back to 0-01 16:01 < court> suggestions? 16:03 < dpalffy> no idea - i really don't know firewire, just ported the old ethernet driver to the 2.6 infrastructure 16:04 < dpalffy> it always worked for me when the ipod was running linux 16:05 < dpalffy> with the apple sw (2.1) my pc often can't read the config rom, and then sbp2 doesn't even look for the ipod. 16:05 < leachbj> with 2.6.7 it doesn't seem to load sbp2 properly but with 2.4 it worked flawlessly. 16:05 < court> well i can ping it.. and leachbj says to the ipod must be node 0-00 16:06 < court> unless he is just talking out of his ass... ;) 16:06 < leachbj> not a pretty sound when I do... 16:06 < dpalffy> my ipod is node 0:01 i think - look at my log 16:06 < leachbj> I had to do that with 2.4 16:07 < court> well what am i doing wrong? 16:08 < leachbj> court: are you on 2.6.7 or 2.4? 16:08 < court> 2.6.6 16:09 < court> need i update my kernel? 16:09 < leachbj> .6 should be fine too 16:10 < leachbj> dpalffy: how did you install your 2.6 ipodeth1394 module? 16:11 < court> i do insmod ipodeth1394 && ifconfig eth2 192.168.222.1 && ping 192.168.222.2 16:11 < leachbj> nevermind.. its in extra 16:11 < leachbj> don't forget the mtu 170 16:11 < dpalffy> cd tools/ipodeth1394/2.6 ; make ; sudo make modules_install ; sudo depmod -a 16:12 < court> huh... i there some documentation that i neglected to read? 16:12 < leachbj> and for the alias, "alias eth1394 ipodeth1394" ? 16:12 < dpalffy> i yes. 16:13 < leachbj> court: not really, but thats what is used on the ipod side. 16:13 < dpalffy> i have mtu 2040 on my pc, and 120 on the ipod 16:14 < dpalffy> haven't set it explicitly anywhere, but they seem to work it out. 16:14 < leachbj> sorry 170 is fine... but they should match ;) 16:16 < court> yay 16:16 < court> mtu was it 16:16 < leachbj> cool... 16:16 < court> thx 16:16 < leachbj> wish mine worked ;) 16:17 < dpalffy> strange - my machine and ipod don't seem to be worried about the mtu mismatch :) 16:17 < leachbj> its only a problem if there is fragmentation of packets from the pc to the ipod... the pc will send a packet too big for the ipod and boink.. 16:18 < court> boink... nice 16:18 < dpalffy> i've netcatted podzilla to the ipod - it's 400k and worked fine 16:18 < leachbj> strange... cool though! 16:18 < court> what do i need for telnet 16:18 < matz-josh> where did you get netcat for the ipod? 16:19 < leachbj> what runs on the ipod for netcat? [ ;) ] 16:19 < dpalffy> i've configured nc into busybox in uClinux-dist 16:20 < leachbj> then you just run nc on the ipod and then netcat from the host? 16:20 < dpalffy> yes 16:20 < leachbj> cool, I'll ahve to add that into the build. 16:21 < dpalffy> "nc -l -p 9876 > filename" on the ipod, and "nc -q 0 ipod 9876 < some_file" on the host 16:21 < leachbj> whats the 9876? a buffer? 16:21 < dpalffy> port 16:21 < leachbj> cool 16:21 < court> port silly... 16:22 < court> so... um... a telnet server... 16:22 < leachbj> telnetd is included in the normal release... it runs from inetd which is started at boot 16:23 < dpalffy> oh, and i have "192.168.222.2 ipod" in my /etc/hosts :) 16:23 < court> Connection Refused..... 16:23 < dpalffy> you have to start netcat on the ipod before you try to connect 16:23 < court> no no, for telnet 16:24 < court> i havnt compiled nc quite yet :) 16:25 < dpalffy> leachbj: i think nc is included in my uclinux config in cvs 16:25 < leachbj> hmmm... dunno, ipodeth1394 just doesnt seem to want to work for me... 16:25 < dpalffy> symptoms? 16:25 < leachbj> dpalffy, I don't think I did a release since then..? 16:25 < leachbj> 100% packet loss on ping... 16:26 < dpalffy> if you did, minix sh was the default :) 16:26 < leachbj> ok, then I guess not... 16:26 < leachbj> I should do that. 16:26 < court> yes that would rock... 16:26 < leachbj> I'm thinking of getting together a release... but its slow in coming. 16:27 < court> minix wouldnt happen to have char selection would it? 16:27 < matz-josh> to get it working with kernel 2.6.7 i had to do the following steps: 16:27 < matz-josh> 1. connect the ipod to the pc 16:27 < matz-josh> 2. modprobe ipodeth1394 16:27 < matz-josh> 3. ifconfig eth1 192.168.222.1 mtu 170 16:27 < matz-josh> 4. reboot the ipod 16:27 < matz-josh> 5. when ipod is rebooted: ifconfig eth1 down 16:27 < matz-josh> 6. modprobe -r ipodeth1394 16:27 < matz-josh> 7. modprobe ipodeth1394 16:27 < matz-josh> 8. ifconfig eth1 192.168.222.1 mtu 170 16:27 < dpalffy> i just ifconfig eth1 192.168.222.22 netmask ... broadcast ... on the host and ifconfig eth0 192.168.222.2 on the ipod and it works fine 16:28 < leachbj> maybe its the host id thing? and you always get the right one? 16:28 < dpalffy> dunno, never really looked at it, it always just worked 16:29 < court> welll i always get 01... and it works now... 16:30 < leachbj> what do we get for cat /sys/bus/ieee1394/devices/fw-host0/00000000024f3638/nodeid ? 16:30 < leachbj> I get 0xffc1 16:30 < dpalffy> minix sh doesn't currently have char selection 16:30 < dpalffy> 0xffc1 16:31 < leachbj> strange... hmmm.. anyhow I gotta head off... thanks for the tips guys... cya 16:31 < court> 0xffc0 16:31 < leachbj> if you happen to come up with any more ideas drop me an email ;) 16:34 < court> textviewer should open .conf files 16:43 < court> and shouldnt try and read binary files 16:44 < court> is there a reason i can telnet to my ipod? 16:44 < court> ca't that is 16:44 < court> wow.... can't 16:45 < dpalffy> what kernel do you have on your pc? 16:45 < matz-josh> can you ping your ipod? 16:46 < court> 2.6.6 and yes 16:46 < dpalffy> do you have telnetd running? 16:46 < dpalffy> what root fs do you have? 16:46 < court> well i see it in inetd.conf 16:46 < matz-josh> is inetd running ? 16:47 < court> should be... 16:47 < court> cant tell textviewer froze 16:47 < dpalffy> what do you have in /etc/rc? 16:47 < court> lots 16:48 < court> what do you want 16:48 < matz-josh> i added "/bin/inetd &" to /etc/rc after the hdparm command 16:49 < court> how silly inetd isnt started... 16:50 < court> wow rmmod ipodeth1394 completely froze my computer... 16:51 < dpalffy> that also never happened to me... 16:51 < matz-josh> you have to do ifconfig eth1 down before removing the module 16:51 < court> for it not to freeze? 16:51 < court> very stable... 16:52 < matz-josh> it's the most unstable kernel driver i've ever used 16:53 < court> and youve use your fair share huh? 16:54 < court> well w/e you do dont tell dpalffy that.... whoops ;) 16:54 < matz-josh> normalperson, but I cant remember that my linux ever froze like that 16:55 < matz-josh> no 16:56 < dpalffy> i only had problems when removing my pcmcia card with firewire stuff running, but it didn't depend on ipodeth1394 16:56 -!- davidc__freenode [~davidc@S0106000094c68b3d.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:56 -!- davidc__freenode is now known as david1 16:56 -!- david1 is now known as davidc__ 16:57 < court> try pulling out your hd... that'll lock it up pretty bad ;) 16:57 < davidc__> hello all. 16:57 < court> hello davidc__ 16:58 < court> hows um... 'put somthing related to you here' ? 16:59 < matz-josh> my dmesg is filled with errors like: bad: scheduling while atomic! 16:59 < matz-josh> [] schedule+0x496/0x4a0 16:59 < matz-josh> [] dma_trm_flush+0x5c/0xf0 16:59 < matz-josh> [] wait_for_completion+0xa9/0x100 16:59 < matz-josh> [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x20 16:59 < matz-josh> [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x20 16:59 < matz-josh> [] hpsb_send_packet_and_wait+0x5e/0x60 16:59 < matz-josh> [] complete_packet+0x0/0x10 16:59 < matz-josh> [] hpsb_write+0x75/0xb0 16:59 < matz-josh> [] hpsb_write_sched+0x60/0x120 [ipodeth1394] 16:59 < matz-josh> [] worker_thread+0x214/0x2f0 16:59 < matz-josh> [] hpsb_write_sched+0x0/0x120 [ipodeth1394] 16:59 < matz-josh> [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x20 16:59 < matz-josh> [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x20 16:59 < matz-josh> [] worker_thread+0x0/0x2f0 16:59 < matz-josh> [] kthread+0xaa/0xb0 16:59 < matz-josh> [] kthread+0x0/0xb0 16:59 < matz-josh> [] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0x10 17:00 < court> warning: keep all atomic explosives away from your computer... 17:00 < dpalffy> ok, i'll fix the README... it's not only not smp-safe, but neither compatible with CONFIG_PREEMPT 17:01 < dpalffy> do you have that? 17:01 < court> um... i do 17:01 < matz-josh> me too 17:04 < dpalffy> ok, updated README in cvs... 17:08 < court> um thats kindof big config_preempt is quite common... 17:10 < dpalffy> sorry, the old driver is not SMP-safe and i think it can't easily made that. and PREEMPT is essentially needs the same as SMP. 17:11 < court> ok, well as long as its not an easy fix... ;) 17:11 < matz-josh> Do you now if there is a chance that the ipod will work with the default eth1394 driver? 17:12 < court> none 17:12 < davidc__> nope. ipod doesn't support part of the eth1394 spec.. the arp broadcast if I remember correctly. 17:12 -!- KuRcZ [~KuRcZ@d57-11-97.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:12 < KuRcZ> here? 17:12 < KuRcZ> hey 17:12 < KuRcZ> anyone here?* 17:12 < court> howdy 17:12 < court> goodness chill 17:12 < KuRcZ> lol 17:12 < KuRcZ> hey 17:13 < KuRcZ> what are some good addons for fluxbox? cuz its kinda boring the way it is 17:14 < court> gkrellm a mouse and a good desktop picture.... 17:15 < court> fluxbox is not for excitement, its for speed and well... 17:16 < dpalffy> fluxbox, bbpager and bbacpi is all i have on my desktop 17:16 < KuRcZ> whats bbpager and bbacpi? 17:17 < court> bbpager == blackbox pager 17:18 < KuRcZ> which does? 17:18 < court> well its kinda like a virtual desktop manager 17:19 < KuRcZ> oh 17:20 < court> and im sure bbacpi has something to do with power management.... 17:20 < dpalffy> yup, it's nice to know the battery status on a laptop :) 17:20 < davidc__> haha.. as if that ever works right.. 17:21 < court> lol 17:21 < davidc__> my laptop either has a 'plugged in and charged' status or a 0% status 17:21 < davidc__> strangely enough, it runs for 3 hours at 0% 17:21 < KuRcZ> lol 17:22 < KuRcZ> what kind of laptop? 17:22 < davidc__> ecs g732... its a sorta no-name.. but its got quite good linux hw support.. and its very fast (for when I got it) 17:22 < KuRcZ> cool 17:23 < court> aww... now i can't ping and i have a creepy feeling that i was pinging 192.168.222.1(my pc) earlier : 17:23 < court> :\ 17:24 < davidc__> however, its power managment is all fucked up.. does things like goes to sleep, and when coming out of sleep, forgets to turn on power to the lcd... or something.. gets a gray screen which cat barely be read. 17:24 < KuRcZ> lol 17:27 -!- matz-josh [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["trying out new kernel without PREEMPT"] 17:28 < KuRcZ> wheres a good place to learn C? 17:28 < court> alright what am i missing this time : insmod ipodeth1394; ifconfig 192.168.222.1 mtu 170; ping 192.168.222.2 ... 17:28 < court> in front of a computer... 17:28 < KuRcZ> no clue...i dont undertsand any of that except the ping part 17:28 < KuRcZ> no, like a site or something 17:30 < court> http://www.iota-six.co.uk/c/default.asp should get you started off well... 17:30 < KuRcZ> thanks 17:31 < court> read the manpages for any function you dont understand... 17:31 < court> like so: man 3 printf 17:31 < davidc__> try this program: 17:32 < davidc__> void main() 17:32 < davidc__> { 17:32 < davidc__> int *ptr = 0; 17:32 < davidc__> *ptr = 100000; 17:32 < davidc__> return 17:32 < davidc__> } 17:32 < davidc__> :p... that'll just crash. 17:32 < court> ooh, an online course!! 17:33 < court> return....... something? 17:35 < davidc__> yea 17:36 < davidc__> don't run it. 17:36 < davidc__> it'll just crash. 17:37 -!- matz-josh [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:37 < court> but it teaches us a valuable lesson... 17:38 < davidc__> yea, don't trust code that random guys' off the net give you :p 17:39 < court> heh 17:40 < KuRcZ> which is better php or asp? 17:40 < davidc__> php 17:40 < court> php id say 17:40 < davidc__> anything but asp 17:40 < davidc__> anything. 17:40 < davidc__> jsp is even better then asp 17:40 < court> ugh jsp 17:41 < davidc__> yeah.. but it's still better then *shudder* asp 17:41 < court> lol 17:41 < davidc__> I was feeling masochistic one day, so I installed tomcat4 and hooked it up to apache.... I still have repressed memories of that day... 17:42 < court> masochistic indeed. 17:46 -!- matz-josh_ [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:46 -!- matz-josh [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:48 < court> hey matz-josh_ i followed the steps you layed out earlier and now i can ping my ipod again.. 17:49 < court> yay 17:50 < court> ok i could for about 30 sec 17:50 < court> well that was a blast 17:51 < court> woah whats the telnet logon? 17:52 < matz-josh_> login is "root" and the password is "default" 17:52 < dpalffy> depends on the userland. root/default? 17:52 < court> yep that works, thanks 17:54 < court> great... now since i have the hacked shell... i have to type r and l to scroll throught characters... how useless 17:56 < court> dpalffy, want to send me that minix sh since my development environment went kaput? 17:57 < dpalffy> http://rainstorm.org/~dpalffy/minix_sh 17:57 < court> thanks a million... 17:58 < davidc__> be back in a bit. 17:59 < matz-josh_> I installed both shells. The old shell as /bin/sh. The new shell as /bin/sash-1.1.2. Then I made "l" and "ll" symlinks to the new shell so i can start it from the old one when I'm using it on the ipod. 18:00 < court> crafty 18:37 < matz-josh_> dpalffy: I disabled PREEMT in the kernel. It works better now. The transfers are faster and the PC doesn't get slow anymore. But "modprobe -r ipodeth1394" ,without disableing the network interface first, still freezes my PC. And I still get error messages, different ones though. They are now like: "Debug: sleeping function called from invalid context at kernel/sched.c:2469 18:37 < matz-josh_> in_atomic():0, irqs_disabled():1 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] __might_sleep+0x97/0xa0 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] wait_for_completion+0x1e/0xd0 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] hpsb_send_packet+0xd3/0x220 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] hpsb_send_packet_and_wait+0x5e/0x60 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] complete_packet+0x0/0x10 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] hpsb_write+0x75/0xb0 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] hpsb_write_sched+0x56/0x100 [ipodeth1394] 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] hpsb_write_sched+0x0/0x100 [ipodeth1394] 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] worker_thread+0x1be/0x260 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x20 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x20 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] worker_thread+0x0/0x260 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] kthread+0xaa/0xb0 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] kthread+0x0/0xb0 18:37 < matz-josh_> [] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0x10 18:47 < dpalffy> matz-josh_: i'm looking at it. 18:48 < dpalffy> I think we can't call hpsb_write with spin_lock_irqsave hold 18:52 < dpalffy> this may be completely broken: 18:53 < dpalffy> from the comment on line 626 in ipodeth1394.c i think the spinlock is only there to protect the statistics. 18:53 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S0106000094c68b3d.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:55 < court> matz-josh_, didja recompile the module for your new kernel? 18:55 < matz-josh_> yes 18:55 < court> oh ok... 18:56 < court> <-- useless 18:56 < dpalffy> could you put the spin_lock_irqsave and unlock around lines 631-632 and 635-636 and remove the other ones? 18:56 < dpalffy> like this: 18:57 < dpalffy> if (!hpsb_write(priv->host, ptask->dest_node, 18:57 < dpalffy> get_hpsb_generation(priv->host), 18:57 < dpalffy> ptask->addr, (quadlet_t *)skb->data, skb->len)) { 18:57 < dpalffy> spin_lock_irqsave (&priv->lock, flags); 18:57 < dpalffy> priv->stats.tx_bytes += skb->len; 18:57 < dpalffy> priv->stats.tx_packets++; 18:57 < dpalffy> spin_unlock_irqrestore (&priv->lock, flags); 18:57 < dpalffy> } else { 18:57 < dpalffy> //printk("Failed in hpsb_write_sched\n"); 18:57 < dpalffy> spin_lock_irqsave (&priv->lock, flags); 18:57 < dpalffy> priv->stats.tx_dropped++; 18:57 < dpalffy> priv->stats.tx_errors++; 18:57 < dpalffy> spin_unlock_irqrestore (&priv->lock, flags); 18:57 < dpalffy> if (netif_queue_stopped (dev)) 18:57 < dpalffy> netif_wake_queue (dev); 18:57 < dpalffy> } 18:57 < dpalffy> dev->trans_start = jiffies; 18:58 < dpalffy> this right after the /* Statistics */ line? 18:58 < dpalffy> this can easily lock up your machine so sync before! :) 19:00 < dpalffy> matz-josh_: your machine already locked? 19:07 < court> sdma vs. mdma vs. udma ? 19:09 < court> nm 19:39 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:51 < matz-josh_> dpalffy: it worked. the error messages during transfer are gone now. I still have some messages when removing the module thought. 19:55 -!- matz-josh_ is now known as matz-josh 20:43 < dpalffy> matz-josh: could you please test this as thoroughly as you can? multiple uploads/downloads from the ipod? If that works i'll ask leachbj if he also thinks this is correct, and if it's ok i'll update the cvs. 20:48 -!- dpalffy [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c20cvs -- just do it."] 20:48 -!- dpalffy [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has joined #ipodlinux 20:54 < dpalffy> leachbj: are you here? 20:56 < dpalffy> bye 20:56 -!- dpalffy [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has quit ["[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c20cvs for the Nintendo 64 today!"] 22:22 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:26 -!- KuRcZ [~KuRcZ@d57-11-97.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:38 -!- matz-josh [~matz@p83.129.124.254.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Client exiting"] --- Log closed Mon Jul 05 00:00:00 2004