--- Log opened Fri Jun 25 00:00:01 2004 00:07 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC59DE1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:21 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC59DE1.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:48 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC59DE1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:53 < sneakerelph> what are advantages of C++ over C? 00:57 -!- macPod [~One800jef@ACA3B6F4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:59 < sneakerelph> macpod, what are advantages, if any, of C++ over C 01:00 < macPod> eh, not much 01:00 < macPod> it is slower, is not good with memory 01:00 < macPod> one of the benefits is the fact you can use statements such as 01:00 < sneakerelph> slower... like, slower to compile, or slower to execute 01:00 < macPod> slower execution 01:00 < sneakerelph> hm... 01:01 < sneakerelph> statements such as... 01:01 < macPod> the advantage is it has more functions available to it such as converting a character to a string 01:01 < macPod> statements such as 01:01 < macPod> cout << "this" << "is" << intVar << "an int var"; 01:02 < macPod> and cin >> intVar 01:02 < sneakerelph> oh 01:02 < sneakerelph> is Xcode on OSX any good? im thinking about maybe saving for a mac or somthing 01:03 < macPod> Xcode is quite nice 01:03 < macPod> and it is free 01:04 < sneakerelph> hmmm.... any recommendations on a good cheap mac? 01:04 < macPod> I have worked with gcc, Microsoft Something... forgot name, Code warrior, the kde ide, and Xcode 01:04 < macPod> I prefer Xcode 01:04 < macPod> if you are going to get a cheap mac... 01:04 < macPod> Get a tower model 01:04 < macPod> And get a g3 01:04 < sneakerelph> G4? 01:04 < sneakerelph> g3... 01:05 < sneakerelph> not that old 01:05 < macPod> well I am stating minimum specs 01:05 < macPod> I am using a g3 imac 400mhz and it works fine 01:05 < sneakerelph> i want at least a G4, but i doubt im getting one anyway 01:05 < macPod> Granted I do not play games 01:05 < macPod> Get a g3 or g4 tower 01:05 < macPod> that way you can use your pc monitor 01:06 < sneakerelph> i've got a p4 2.8GHz for games 01:06 < sneakerelph> ebay! 01:06 < macPod> yea, ebay is a good place to look for old macs 01:09 < sneakerelph> hmm... what about a powermac g4 cube... 01:09 < sneakerelph> that would be awesome 01:10 < macPod> I would not reccomend it for two reasons 01:10 < sneakerelph> ? 01:10 < sneakerelph> go on 01:10 < macPod> 1. The reason they stopped making them was they had problems with expandability, heat, and also a issue where the case would crack. 01:10 < macPod> and the second reasons 01:10 < macPod> 2. The general public is not aware of that which causes the cubes to be more expensive than a comparable tower. 01:11 < sneakerelph> powermac g4 400 mhz going for $265, nice 01:11 < macPod> does that inclue a keyboard? 01:12 < sneakerelph> a g5 going for 375???? 01:12 < macPod> and how much ram? 01:12 < sneakerelph> yea right! 01:12 < sneakerelph> i dunno 01:12 < macPod> gimme the link 01:12 < sneakerelph> 265mb ram 01:12 < macPod> of the g5 01:12 < macPod> you need 256 mb minimum to run os x 01:12 < sneakerelph> oh, the g5 is just ram... 01:12 < macPod> actually 128 01:12 < macPod> but I use 256, it should get you by fine 01:12 < sneakerelph> but it looked like it was a g5 01:12 < sneakerelph> ok 01:13 < sneakerelph> 40GB HDD 01:13 < sneakerelph> keyboard, mouse, cables, no monitor, but i've got one of those 01:15 < sneakerelph> heh, check it out 01:15 < sneakerelph> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4607&item=5103195434&rd=1 01:16 < macPod> do you know how old that is? 01:17 < macPod> that is like 1995 01:18 < sneakerelph> i know 01:18 < sneakerelph> its only$50 though, is why i told you to check it out 01:18 < sneakerelph> i have a performa 400 01:18 < sneakerelph> 50MB hdd, 6 megs ram, no CD ROM, oh yea, mega powerful :-) 01:19 < sneakerelph> note that the HDD is megabytes 01:19 < macPod> yea 01:19 < sneakerelph> but it does have 100MB zip drive 01:48 < sneakerelph> hmm... so many choices 01:48 < macPod> leachbj needs to come online 01:49 < sneakerelph> why? 01:49 < macPod> I need to talk to him about linux 01:49 < macPod> and where I can store these files 01:49 < macPod> and the drug deal that is about to happen to fund this project 01:51 < sneakerelph> lol 01:52 < sneakerelph> how big is the HD in your mac? 01:53 < macPod> I moded the imac to have an 80gb, and I am always running out of space 01:53 -!- court__ [~court@68.215.205.41] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:53 < macPod> in my beige, I have 12 hard drives 01:53 < macPod> about another 80gb there 01:54 < sneakerelph> 12 hard drives.... thats crazy 01:54 < sneakerelph> external i hope 01:54 < sneakerelph> otherwise i applaude you for getting those to fit inside that case 01:54 < macPod> yea, 12 scsi drives 01:55 < macPod> well 10 scsi, 2 ide 01:55 < sneakerelph> cool 02:05 < sneakerelph> what about laptop macs 02:05 < sneakerelph> ? 02:05 < macPod> they are expensive 02:05 < macPod> but nice 02:05 < macPod> really expensive 02:05 < macPod> not worth if if you are trying to get something cheap 02:05 < sneakerelph> true 02:06 < sneakerelph> ha, i wish i could just get a 2.5GHz dual G5 02:09 -!- court__ [~court@adsl-211-12-169.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:14 < macPod> :D 02:15 < sneakerelph> whyreka! 02:15 < sneakerelph> i found it 02:16 < sneakerelph> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14909&item=5103216548&rd=1 02:17 < macPod> it is only 400 mhz 02:17 < macPod> and the reserve price has not been reached 02:17 < macPod> and 3 hours to go 02:19 < sneakerelph> yeah 02:20 < sneakerelph> but a guy can dream cant he? 02:20 < macPod> I dream of spaghetti.. that stuff is good 02:21 < sneakerelph> true 02:21 < sneakerelph> i dream of spaghetti oh's.... 02:24 < sneakerelph> thats what i ate for dinner 02:24 < sneakerelph> mmmmmmmmm... 02:28 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:31 -!- court__ is now known as court 02:31 < court> hey 02:32 < macPod> hey 02:32 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:32 < macPod> hey 02:32 < court> hey... 02:33 < sneakerelph> hey 02:33 < court> howdy 02:33 < court> anythang new? 02:34 < macPod> yea. waiting fo rleach 02:34 < macPod> have the osx alpha installer done 02:34 < court> nice 02:34 < macPod> and am working on the second version which will be much better 02:34 < court> how long you been waiting? 02:34 < macPod> I want to talk with the windows installer 02:34 < macPod> about a week 02:35 < court> heh 02:35 < court> pm him on the forums.. i think he goes there more othen that here 02:36 < court> <-- could be wrong 02:36 < macPod> I shall.. 02:36 < macPod> .... a bit later.. need to procrastinate 02:37 < court> bah you can always do taht tomorrow... 02:37 < court> ;) 02:38 < macPod> yea... I'll go ahead and post a message 02:38 < macPod> I'm a mod there now ^^ 02:38 < macPod> thanks to BlindSpy 02:38 < macPod> *toad* 02:38 < sneakerelph> i gotta go vacuum the car... see ya later 02:38 < macPod> later 02:38 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC59DE1.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:38 < court> *toad* <-- ? 02:39 < macPod> removing people 02:39 < macPod> banning 02:39 < court> ban expmod8... 02:39 < court> oh wait... 02:40 -!- court is now known as expmod8 02:40 -!- expmod8 is now known as court 02:40 < macPod> heh 02:55 < macPod> PSTED 02:55 < macPod> woo 02:55 < macPod> go check it out 02:57 < court> internet update checking? 02:57 < court> classy 02:57 < macPod> Hey, I'm tired 02:57 < macPod> It was really easy to add 02:57 < macPod> as simple as parsing an xml document 02:57 < macPod> which cocoa does for you 02:58 < court> convient 02:58 < court> none of my text editor have that fuinction ;) 02:58 < macPod> heh 02:58 < macPod> You think it is overkill? 02:59 < court> no 02:59 < macPod> seriously 02:59 < macPod> now 03:00 < court> it should check for podzilla updates and such 03:00 < macPod> I don't need any guff :P 03:00 < court> and use those 03:00 < macPod> well it very well could and would do that 03:00 < macPod> this gui contains all of those elements 03:00 < court> otherwise you'll have to update every time podzilla does 03:01 < macPod> is that so bad :P 03:01 < macPod> that will be for version .3 03:01 < macPod> I am working on .2 now, it is doing pretty good 03:02 < court> considering podzilla update quite frequently 03:02 < court> maybe it is so bad ;) 03:03 < macPod> again, that will be version .3 03:03 < macPod> which will be made pretty soon 03:03 < court> i'd love to try it out... 03:04 < macPod> do you have a mac? 03:04 < court> but umm... i guess i need to go buy a mac 03:04 < macPod> yea :P 03:05 < court> i have an ipod... ;) close enough? 03:06 < court> i want developer status :( 03:06 < court> no fair... 03:06 < court> im no n00b 03:07 < macPod> ok noob 03:07 < macPod> ;P 03:07 < macPod> talk to BlindSpy 03:08 < court> heeey BlindSpy? 03:08 < court> j/k 03:08 < court> im so n00bish its not even funny.. 03:09 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC1F0FC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:10 < court> macPod, i agree with you on the orginazation of ipodlinux 03:11 < court> its lacking 03:12 < macPod> yea 03:13 < court> right now its kindof a free-for-all frenzy 03:22 < macPod> time for sleep... goodnight 03:22 -!- macPod [~One800jef@ACA3B6F4.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["BUY NOW"] 03:52 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC1F0FC.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:59 -!- court_ [~court@68.215.142.84] has joined #ipodlinux 04:10 -!- court [~court@adsl-211-12-169.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:36 -!- court__ [~court@68.215.131.250] has joined #ipodlinux 04:52 -!- court_ [~court@68.215.142.84] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:56 -!- dwelch [~dwelch@pcp02743946pcs.sntafe01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:20 -!- dwelch [~dwelch@pcp02743946pcs.sntafe01.nm.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:24 -!- OoTLink [~OoTLink@adsl-66-127-242-137.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:29 -!- court_ [~court@68.219.135.78] has joined #ipodlinux 06:36 -!- court__ [~court@68.215.131.250] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:47 -!- OoTLink [~OoTLink@adsl-66-127-242-137.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:49 -!- court_ [~court@68.219.135.78] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:52 -!- jlje [~agp@AMontpellier-202-1-4-70.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 06:56 -!- court_ [~court@68.215.161.134] has joined #ipodlinux 07:00 -!- jlj [~agp@AMontpellier-103-1-5-237.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:31 -!- jlje [~agp@AMontpellier-202-1-4-70.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:59 -!- Hallo99 [~johannes@p508E8BD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:59 -!- Hallo99 [~johannes@p508E8BD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:01 -!- Hallo99 [~johannes@p508E8BD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 10:02 -!- Hallo99 [~johannes@p508E8BD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ipodlinux [] 11:01 -!- court__ [~court@68.215.168.35] has joined #ipodlinux 11:18 -!- court_ [~court@68.215.161.134] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:48 -!- court_ [~court@68.215.225.88] has joined #ipodlinux 12:05 -!- court__ [~court@68.215.168.35] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:07 -!- zwi [~zwi@216.88.131.43] has quit [Success] 13:06 -!- zwi [~zwi@ewa-denver.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:39 -!- macPod [~One800jef@AC97605A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:56 -!- court__ [~court@adsl-80-76-236.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:56 -!- macPod [~One800jef@AC97605A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:12 -!- court_ [~court@68.215.225.88] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:50 -!- court_ [~court@adsl-154-17-15.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:06 -!- court__ [~court@adsl-80-76-236.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:31 -!- dpalffy [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c20cvs -- just do it."] 16:00 -!- elinenbe_ [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:03 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:03 -!- elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe 17:04 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA598.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:04 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 17:13 -!- fenix-dark [~scott@ool-4353aa74.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:13 < fenix-dark> hi 17:15 < leachbj> hi 17:18 < leachbj> did you sort out your de-installation problem? 17:30 * leachbj is away: dinner 17:32 -!- fenix-dark [~scott@ool-4353aa74.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:49 -!- dpalffy [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has joined #ipodlinux 17:58 -!- fenix-dark [~scott@ool-4353aa74.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:58 < fenix-dark> is anyone here now, i have a broblem during the setup? 18:12 * leachbj is back (gone 00:41:49) 18:12 < leachbj> what is the problem? 18:18 < fenix-dark> when i type make_fw -o apple_sw.bin -e 0 firmware_backup.bin i get an error message that says make_fw is an unknown command 18:18 < leachbj> is the make_fw program in the current directory? 18:18 < fenix-dark> yes 18:18 < leachbj> then use ./make_fw 18:19 < fenix-dark> now i get "Cannot open firmware image file firmware_backup.bin" 18:19 < leachbj> is the file firmware_back.bin in the current directory? 18:19 < fenix-dark> no 18:19 < leachbj> hey dpalffy, I didn't see you were on, you around? 18:20 < leachbj> what instructions are you following? 18:20 < fenix-dark> the updated ones on the site 18:21 < leachbj> installation.shtml? 18:21 < fenix-dark> yea 18:21 < leachbj> are you on a mac or linux machine? 18:22 < fenix-dark> linuc 18:22 < fenix-dark> linux* 18:22 < fenix-dark> ok, that made it work 18:22 < fenix-dark> thank you 18:28 < fenix-dark> i just typed "make_fw -o my_sw.bin -l uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0.bin -i apple_os.bin loader.bin" and i got an error that says "Cannot open linux image file uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0.bin" 18:29 < leachbj> did you already download and unpack uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0.tar.gz? 18:31 < fenix-dark> yes 18:31 < leachbj> so is the file uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0.bin in the current directory? 18:32 < fenix-dark> ok, i fixed it, i didn't select uclinux-2.4.23-ipod0 when i decompressed it 18:36 < fenix-dark> now, when i type "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda3 /mnt/tmp" it says "mount: mount point /mnt/tmp does not exist" 18:37 < leachbj> you need to create a directory /mnt/tmp. 18:38 < fenix-dark> so i just type mkdir /mnt/tmp 18:38 < leachbj> yup 18:38 < fenix-dark> ok 18:43 * leachbj is away: watching France vs Greece 18:44 -!- court__ [~court@adsl-154-9-46.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:45 -!- court_ [~court@adsl-154-17-15.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:54 < fenix-dark> i just typed "ln -s /dev/pty/m0 /dev/ptyp0" and i get an error message that says "ln: `/dev/ptyp0': File exists" 19:12 -!- leachbj_ [~leachbj@pD9EAA0D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:26 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA598.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:27 < fenix-dark> nvm, i got it to work 19:34 < fenix-dark> i just finished installing podzilla, but there's no way to reboot my ipod into normal apple firmware. 19:34 < fenix-dark> nvm 19:39 -!- leachbj_ is now known as leachbj 19:51 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 20:45 -!- fenix-dark [~scott@ool-4353aa74.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:49 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA0D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 21:11 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA0D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:11 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 21:33 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA0D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:06 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it"] 22:06 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC0D8CC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:07 < sneakerelph> hello! 22:21 -!- elinenbe [trilluser@207-237-224-177.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:45 -!- sneakerelph2 [~sneakerel@ACC57781.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:46 -!- sneakerelph [~sneakerel@ACC0D8CC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:49 < sneakerelph2> am i back? 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