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00:48 < macPod> hey BlindSpy
00:48 < BlindSpy> hey there
00:48 < BlindSpy> whatsup?
00:48 < macPod> finally got a chance to work on my installer again
00:48 < macPod> :)
00:48 < BlindSpy> awesome
00:49 < BlindSpy> how's it lookin?
00:49 < macPod> Well the gui is done
00:49 < macPod> I really just need to make a parser for one unix command and I am done
00:49 < BlindSpy> awesome - simple?
00:49 < BlindSpy> oh thats not bad
00:49 < macPod> me
00:49 < macPod> h
00:49 < BlindSpy> it just just a string or something you need to substring and check?
00:50 < macPod> Yea, a bit more complicated than that, but that is the general gist
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00:50 < macPod> I also gotta figure out how to escape characters in a string
00:51 < BlindSpy> doesnt \ work?
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00:51 < KuRcZ> hey guys
00:51 < BlindSpy> hey there
00:51 < macPod> BlindSpy, no
00:51 < KuRcZ> whats up?
00:51 < macPod> hey KuRcZ
00:51 < BlindSpy> macPod: why not?
00:51 < KuRcZ> eh, guys, i have a question, i installed linux on my iPod, now how do i get it to play music?
00:52 < KuRcZ> threw linux
00:52 < KuRcZ> cuz i can get it on my ipod threw normal mode
00:52 < macPod> BlindSpy: there is no api for the output of one function
00:53 < macPod> And it needs escaped characters
00:53 < BlindSpy> ah
00:53 < BlindSpy> mm
00:53 < BlindSpy> hey check the forums btw - i finally made you mod
00:53 < macPod> so I have to make a function to escape the charcters
00:53 < macPod> WOOO
00:53 < macPod> :P
00:53 < macPod> now I get to toad people
00:53 < BlindSpy> hahaha
00:53 < BlindSpy> you better not
00:54 < macPod> *toad*
01:09 < macPod> woao, I've been added to the user groop
01:09 < macPod> by leach
01:09 < macPod> :D more stuff to mess with now :P
01:11 < KuRcZ> eh, guys, i have a question, i installed linux on my iPod, now how do i get it to play music?
01:11 < macPod> boot up in linux
01:11 < macPod> go to the directory that contains the mp3
01:11 < KuRcZ> whats the directory
01:11 < macPod> hit the center button after highlighing the song
01:11 < KuRcZ> where is it
01:12 < KuRcZ> i couldn't find it
01:12 < macPod> iPod_Control/Music/
01:12 < KuRcZ> where in the linux directory is that
01:13 < macPod> from there you will see a bunch of folders called F00, F01, f02
01:13 < KuRcZ> i know that
01:13 < macPod> Go to the file browser, 
01:13 < KuRcZ> yea
01:13 < macPod> then get to the root directory of the ipod
01:13 < KuRcZ> k
01:13 < macPod> highlight the folder called iPod_Control
01:14 < macPod> and hit select
01:14 < KuRcZ> ohh
01:14 < KuRcZ> ok
01:31 < macPod> I hate parsing...
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02:57 < sneakerelph> yo
02:57 < macPod> ya
03:00 < macPod> parsing sucks!
03:00 < sneakerelph> parsing?
03:01 < sneakerelph> i havent gotten that far in my book...:-)
03:01 < macPod> :P
03:01 < macPod> has to do with c-strings
03:01 < sneakerelph> ah
03:01 < sneakerelph> is c++ better for GUI?
03:02 < macPod> It really depends on what you are writing
03:02 < sneakerelph> oh
03:02 < sneakerelph> what the heck is c#
03:02 < sneakerelph> i saw books for it at barnes and noble
03:02 < macPod> windows gui/general programming
03:03 < sneakerelph> oh
03:03 < macPod> stay far away from it.
03:03 < sneakerelph> so i dont have to worry about
03:03 < sneakerelph> it
03:03 < sneakerelph> since i use linux
03:03 < macPod> yup
03:03 < sneakerelph> hey, funny thing
03:03 < sneakerelph> my aunts friend is the manager of the building in portland that linus torvolds lives in
03:03 < sneakerelph> pretty cool huh?
03:04 < jlj> sneakerelph : C# tools for Linux - http://go-mono.com
03:04 < macPod> bleh
03:04 < macPod> when did they make that
03:05 < sneakerelph> yea, because i always wanted to develop windows applications for linux
03:05 < sneakerelph> and that made alot of sense :-p
03:06 < macPod> http://images.themaxx.com/mirror.php/offensive/images/picpile/best_toilet_ever.jpg
03:06 < macPod> that makes more sense
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03:08 < sneakerelph> lol
03:08 < sneakerelph> that would be cool
03:08 < sneakerelph> you could moon people without them seeing
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03:10 < sneakerelph> linux people, for GUI, which is easier, QT or GTK?
03:10 < macPod> gtk is standard
03:10 < sneakerelph> yea, but is QT easier?
03:10 < sneakerelph> QT is KDE Stuff
03:10 < macPod> qt is pretty easy, but I would be ancy about it
03:11 < sneakerelph> ?
03:11 < macPod> I had a friend doing a project in it and the company had it listed as free and under the gnu
03:11 < sneakerelph> so...
03:11 < macPod> then they changed it so you had to pay x.x
03:11 < macPod> screwed him over good.
03:12 < sneakerelph> oh
03:12 < sneakerelph> so GTK is safer?
03:12 < macPod> I would say. actually try some google research fist/
03:12 < sneakerelph> im currently studying GTK,
03:13 < sneakerelph> but QT might be cool
03:13 < sneakerelph> especially since i use KDE
03:13 < jlj> sneakerelph : if your app is going to be GPL'ed there's no diffference
03:13 < jlj> to develop closed source apps with QT you need to pay for a commercial license
03:13 < sneakerelph> everything i write will be gpl'd
03:15 < macPod> oh!
03:15 < sneakerelph> oh! what?
03:15 < macPod> my frined was using qt for windows
03:15 < macPod> that is now un-free :o
03:15 < sneakerelph> lol
03:15 < sneakerelph> i dont believe in closed source
03:15 < macPod> at any rate, yea, it really scewed him good
03:15 < sneakerelph> you dont gain anything
03:15 < macPod> neither do I unless I am trying to make a profit
03:15 < sneakerelph> true
03:16 < sneakerelph> then dont gpl it
03:16 < sneakerelph> but if its a free utility
03:16 < sneakerelph> gpl it, there's no point in not having others help if they can
03:16 < sneakerelph> winzip should be open
03:17 < sneakerelph> same with winamp, but we have xmms
03:19 < sneakerelph> from my research, qt looks like its easier to understand
03:19 < sneakerelph> but im not that well researched
03:20 < macPod> Of the code I saw, it was pretty easy. However I have not seen gtk so I cannot really say.
03:22 < sneakerelph> oh
03:24 < sneakerelph> comparing hello world gtk vs qt, qt is easier
03:24 < sneakerelph> its more english
03:24 < macPod> heh
03:29 < sneakerelph> well, it was alot shorter to write that program for qt, than it was for GTK
03:29 < sneakerelph> but... i dont have qt development packages installed... minor error
03:30 < sneakerelph> crud... they are installed... now im screwed
03:32 < sneakerelph> anyone here ever used Glade?
03:36 < sneakerelph> or QTDesigner?
03:36 < macPod> nope
03:36 < sneakerelph> hmm...
03:36 < sneakerelph> well
03:36 < sneakerelph> glade is too hard to figure out
03:36 < sneakerelph> im trying qtdesigner
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03:40 < macPod> oh yea, installer is workin
03:40 < sneakerelph> ah, forget it, im using GTK
03:41 < sneakerelph> the ipodlinux installer?
03:41 < macPod> ya
03:41 < sneakerelph> i wanna see some screenshots!
03:41 < macPod> I need to test it alot first
03:41 < sneakerelph> i still wanna see screenshots
03:42 < macPod> this is like the pre-alpa version
03:42 < sneakerelph> im on dial up here
03:43 < sneakerelph> cool
03:45 < sneakerelph> dude, thats awesome
03:45 < macPod> Meh,
03:45 < macPod> the next versions will be much better
03:45 < macPod> this is literally thrown together
03:45 < sneakerelph> well i could never do that
03:45 < macPod> total I have spent about 3 hours on it
03:45 < sneakerelph> can i see source? or is that top secret
03:45 < sneakerelph> not bad
03:45 < macPod> You can program really fast in cocoa, even if you don't know what you are doing like I :P
03:46 < macPod> I'll have code when I am done
03:46 < sneakerelph> ok
03:46 < sneakerelph> oh thats right
03:46 < sneakerelph> its cocoa
03:46 < sneakerelph> i dont think i'll understand
03:46 < sneakerelph> zero programming xp in OS X
03:46 < macPod> it is not hard
03:47 < sneakerelph> yea, how tied in with OS X is it?
03:48 < macPod> unseperateable
03:48 < sneakerelph> ah, see, i dont have OS X
03:48 < macPod> :P
03:48 < macPod> I made this program because I realized I never wanted to help someone like WarrinMac again
03:48 < sneakerelph> lol
03:49 < sneakerelph> "just use my installer"
03:49 < macPod> yea, exactly
03:49 < sneakerelph> eventually, i'd like to make one of those for Linux
03:49 < sneakerelph> possible using GTK... since i cant get QT to work
03:50 < OoTLink> XD
03:50 < OoTLink> yay
03:50 < OoTLink> macpod you wanna take over my site? :)
03:50 < OoTLink> rofl
03:50 < sneakerelph> yay for me? or yay for macpod?
03:50 < OoTLink> macpod
03:50 < sneakerelph> fine
03:50 < OoTLink> didn't know he made a mac installer
03:50 < OoTLink> lol
03:50 < sneakerelph> i see how it is
03:50 < OoTLink> o_O i don't even knwo your prob
03:50 < sneakerelph> dont i get a yay? i made a calculator!
03:51 < OoTLink> yay
03:51 < sneakerelph> woo hoo!
03:51 < sneakerelph> i feel so loved
03:51 < macPod> woao, what?
03:51 < macPod> afk for a sec and hell breaks loose
03:52 < OoTLink> you made an IPL installer?
03:52 < macPod> I made an installer for osx that puts linux on your ipod
03:53 < OoTLink> I haven't even seen it o_O I bet it kills mine :)
03:53 < macPod> you made an os x installer too?
03:53 < OoTLink> a while ago
03:54 < macPod> well damn, wish I knew that... where is it?
03:54 < OoTLink> april 5th to be exact
03:54 < OoTLink> lol
03:54 < macPod> and is it gui?
03:54 < OoTLink> ipod.homelinux.com :)
03:54 < OoTLink> nah
03:54 < OoTLink> it sucks ass
03:54 < macPod> is it just a shell script?
03:54 < OoTLink> I'm a lousy programmer
03:54 < OoTLink> yep
03:55 < macPod> meh, whatever works
03:55 < macPod> oh yea, i remember this site
03:56 < OoTLink> lol if you have a page for yours I'll gladly link it over :)
03:56 < macPod> nope, I have 56k
03:57 < macPod> :O
03:57 < macPod> it suxors
03:57 < macPod> I am going to talk to leachjb about this proj
03:57 < sneakerelph> good idea macpod!
03:57 < OoTLink> *grin*
03:57 < macPod> :P
03:57 < OoTLink> yeah like all things linux it's sorta disorganized ;)
03:57 < sneakerelph> i wanna make a GUI for GTK
03:58 < sneakerelph> you've inspired me
03:58 < macPod> Right, needs some organization
03:58 < macPod> go for it
03:58 < sneakerelph> i gotta learn gtk though
03:58 < OoTLink> I end up including versions of podzilla that either get posted on the forums or mentioned in here, heheh
03:58 < OoTLink> but um yeah.. sometimes linux is silly
03:58 < macPod> What needs to happen is organization
03:58 < macPod> everything is spread out
03:58 < OoTLink> generally
03:58 < sneakerelph> yea
03:58 < OoTLink> everyone disagrees
03:59 < OoTLink> and the person in charge is stubborn
03:59 < sneakerelph> i wanna see source for podzilla
03:59 < OoTLink> .,... in a bad way ;)
03:59 < sneakerelph> lol
03:59 < OoTLink> hrm I think the source is on the forums somewhere
03:59 < macPod> leachjb is not that stubborn
03:59 < OoTLink> *nod*
03:59 < macPod> not at all
03:59 < OoTLink> the site hasn't been updated since ages ago
03:59 < macPod> except for the fact that he is hanging onto the 2.24 kernel...
03:59 < OoTLink> IMHO if they could it should have a weblog for all the devs
03:59 < macPod> he needs to go with the 2.6 kernel
03:59 < sneakerelph> yea, we need a 2.6 kernel
04:00 < macPod> that way telnet would work under os x
04:00 < macPod> and make development much easier
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04:00 < sneakerelph> yep
04:00 < court_> but 2.6 doesnt work yet...
04:00 < OoTLink> yah
04:00 < OoTLink> that's a bit annoying :)
04:00 < sneakerelph> yup
04:00 < macPod> yet...
04:00 < macPod> or so he says :P
04:00 < macPod> we all know he has a secret working version
04:01 < sneakerelph> we need some devs on that one
04:01 < macPod> actually.. he told me the reason he wanted to stick with 2.24
04:01 < macPod> forgot what it was...
04:01 < court_> go for it sneakerelph
04:01 < macPod> time for me to sleep...
04:01 < macPod> I've gotta work tomm, gnight
04:02 < court_> night macPod
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04:05 < court_> leave me all alone...
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09:17 < normalperson> ok, finally got some stuff working: minix sh for redirects, telnet from host to ipod, libflac + libao + mpd compiled
09:18 < normalperson> mpd runs and reads my FLAC metadata correctly!
09:18 < normalperson> but it crashes at libao init (I think)
09:18 < normalperson> I hacked my libao up a bit
09:18 < normalperson> that might be it
09:18 < normalperson> hopefully I'll have time to work on it next weekend
09:20 < normalperson> 2:20am PST, I have work at 9am... sleep time methinks
09:21 < normalperson> I think getting strace compiled and working will be my next order of business
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19:50 < Peeplone> hi
19:50 < Peeplone> please, someone can download CVS of iPoLinux from sourceforge? 
19:51 < Peeplone> the link seems be down :(
20:02 < davidc__> do you have a dev acct
20:05 < Peeplone> yes
20:05 < Peeplone> well, on developer.apple.com
20:05 < Peeplone> otherwise on sourceforge, i've just a simple user acct
20:06 < Peeplone> davidc__: you are french? 
20:08 < davidc__> non
20:08 < Peeplone> ok :)
20:10 < normalperson> Peeplone: anonymous CVS works fine here
20:10 < davidc__> dev cvs works fine here
20:11 < Peeplone> yes, i can connect 
20:11 < Peeplone> and i give a blank password but after i've a timeout :(
20:11 < Peeplone> try "cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.ipodlinux.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ipodlinux login"
20:12 < normalperson> no need to login
20:15 < Peeplone> sorry but nothing functions
20:16 < Peeplone> atlan:/Users/internet boulot$ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.ipodlinux.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ipodlinux login
20:16 < Peeplone> (Logging in to anonymous@cvs.ipodlinux.sourceforge.net)
20:16 < Peeplone> CVS password: 
20:16 < Peeplone> cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.ipodlinux.sourceforge.net:2401 failed: Operation timed out
20:16 < Peeplone> and
20:16 < Peeplone> atlan:/Users/internet boulot$ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.ipodlinux.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ipodlinux      
20:16 < Peeplone> Usage: cvs [cvs-options] command [command-options-and-arguments]
20:16 < Peeplone>   where cvs-options are -q, -n, etc.
20:16 < Peeplone> ... 
20:22 < normalperson> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ipodlinux co tools/podzilla
20:22 < normalperson> it's  cvs.sourceforge.net, no ipodlinux in the domain name
20:24 < Peeplone> thx!!! 
20:24 < Peeplone> it's better :)
20:25 < normalperson> :)
20:36 < Peeplone> mmmh, someone have Windows? 
20:37 < davidc__> yes, but I never use it, why?
20:40 < Peeplone> because i've just plug my iPod on a PC and Windows 2000 says me that my device isn't formated :( 
20:40 < Peeplone> (so, i've not run my iPod CD)
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22:01 < sneakerelph> yo
22:24 < sneakerelph> anyone have any xp in programming games with opengl?
22:30 < davidc__>  yes
22:30 < sneakerelph> easy? hard?
22:31 < normalperson> ugh... mpd relies heavily on fork, and s/fork/vfork isn't working :/
22:31 < sneakerelph> is it needed to make simple games like a pacman clone or asteroids?
22:31 < sneakerelph> heh
22:31 < normalperson> probably not
22:32 < sneakerelph> anyone know of any good tutorials out there for making those kind of games?
22:32 < sneakerelph> or a side scolling platformer?
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22:33 < normalperson> *shrug* I'm just want to get mpd (musicpd.org) working on my ipod for gapless playback and FLAC
22:33 < sneakerelph> what is FLAC?
22:34 < normalperson> flac.sf.net -- free lossless audio codec
22:34 < sneakerelph> ah
22:36 < sneakerelph> cool
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23:17 < sneakerelph> i want to see the podzilla source... anyone know where i can find it?
23:44 < court_> cvs
23:46 < sneakerelph> ok
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