--- Log opened Sat Sep 27 00:00:01 2008 00:04 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@130.91.240.85] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:04 * Jekotia bashes his head against a wall 00:06 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@130.91.240.85] has joined #ipodlinux 00:10 < Jekotia> where can I get IPL's 'Loader 2'? 00:11 -!- Jekotia [n=chatzill@d141-59-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 00:17 -!- Woolly [n=Woolly@cpc2-broo2-0-0-cust702.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:18 < Woolly> Keripo: Apologies for not being about today, I'll be about tomorrow for definite :) 00:24 < Keripo> no prob 01:12 -!- Woolly [n=Woolly@cpc2-broo2-0-0-cust702.renf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 01:18 -!- jebussell [n=jbussell@219-90-251-137.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 01:41 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@130.91.240.85] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:42 -!- fdinel [n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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Servarium 20:10 -!- Marius [n=irc@d152022.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 20:10 < Marius> hey guys! may i ask, when the project relaunches? 20:13 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:13 < Marius> pleeease ^^ 20:18 < BleuLlama> the server will be online on Monday, with various services coming online shortly after that 20:18 < BleuLlama> all of the source and various downloads are still available through Sourceforge 20:20 < Marius> really? sourceforge redirected always to ipodlinux.org 20:20 < Marius> strange 20:21 < Marius> and one more question (i just didnt understand your explaination :P) from monday on i can read everything about the project? 20:22 < BleuLlama> the downloads are through sourceforge itself for some downloads 20:22 < BleuLlama> on monday, our server will be back online, albiet not at ipodlinux.org initially, since we have to move DNS once we know the IP of the new server 20:23 < BleuLlama> and once that's online, the various devs on the project will be restoring the wiki, forums, downloads, nightly buildsm and so on, as we can 20:23 < BleuLlama> but Monday is when some of it will start to be visible again 20:24 -!- Jamea [n=sylvain@lan31-5-82-234-71-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:24 < Jamea> Hi 20:24 < BleuLlama> hi 20:24 < beckiergb> hi! 20:24 < Jamea> Can you tell me if ipod nan 2nd generation is supported by ipodlinux? 20:24 < beckiergb> nope 20:24 < Jamea> :( 20:25 < BleuLlama> correct. just first gen Nano (of the Nano series) 20:25 < Jamea> what is th problem with 2nd? 20:25 < beckiergb> Encryption. 20:25 < Jamea> of what? 20:25 < BleuLlama> the device 20:25 < beckiergb> The firmware. 20:26 < BleuLlama> the firmware, etc. 20:26 < BleuLlama> yeah 20:27 < Jamea> you mean that ipodlinux must be encrypted in a certain manner to be read by ipod? 20:28 < BleuLlama> we mean that the firmware on the device needs to be decrypted so that we can even begin to understand how to work with the hardeware, then our replacement software needs to be re-encrypted(probably) 20:28 < BleuLlama> and then put onto the device 20:28 < BleuLlama> it's completely non-trivial... which is why no one has gotten far at all with it 20:28 < Jamea> yes, i trust you 20:29 < BleuLlama> and those of us (not me) with encryption experience realize that it's a near-impossibility anyway, so they have not worked on it, when plenty of older hardware already exists that runs ipl just wonderfully 20:29 < Jamea> how encryption had been resolved on other versions of device? 20:30 < beckiergb> They weren't encrypted. 20:30 < Jamea> ho 20:30 < BleuLlama> there wasn't encryption on them 20:30 < Marius> Haha... I just realized that you always need to buy new versions if you want to support them... right? That sucks 20:30 < BleuLlama> to complicate matters, the act of decrypting the firmware constitues a violation of copy protection laws, so it's illegal 20:31 < Jamea> yes, surely 20:31 < Jamea> so, that's not good new for my ipod and the next generations, and iphone too i guess 20:31 < BleuLlama> correct. 20:32 < Marius> BleuLlama so (coding/using) upcomming releases supporting 2nd generation nano will be illegal? 20:32 < BleuLlama> imo, there will never be support for 2nd, 3rd, 4th gen nano, and 6G classic 20:32 < Jamea> I think I will turn my thinks to openmoko :p 20:33 < BleuLlama> there might be work done for Touch/Phone, but it's highly doubtful. 20:33 < Marius> k. caused by the named matter? 20:33 < Marius> xD i believe 20:34 < BleuLlama> named matter? 20:34 < BleuLlama> since there are already existing channels to develop for Phone/touch, there's less interest to port linux to it. 20:34 -!- beckiergb [n=beckie@66-214-64-221.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:34 < Marius> ehhm... maybe a litte german grammar ^^... 20:34 -!- beckiergb [n=beckie@66-214-64-221.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:35 < BleuLlama> personally, I won't be partaking in that effort... but others in the project have different opinions than myself. :) 20:35 < Marius> i meant: no support caused by encryption (->illegal)? 20:35 -!- Jamea [n=sylvain@lan31-5-82-234-71-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:35 < BleuLlama> no; the act of decrypting the existing apple firmware is the illegal portion 20:36 < Marius> yay, thats what i meant ^^ 20:36 < BleuLlama> and no, asking APple to help us would not be fruitful, and only gets them annoyed by us. 20:36 < Marius> that's why there will be no support? :D 20:36 < BleuLlama> part of the reason 20:36 < Marius> mkay 20:36 < BleuLlama> there's PLENTY to keep us busy with supporting existing ipods better. ;) 20:37 < Marius> fortunately i have 5g ^^ 20:37 < BleuLlama> ie, serial, better CPU use, etc. 20:38 < Marius> do you have a short pleading for me to use ipodlinux? currently it's just curiosity 20:38 < Marius> can i easily play doom on my ipod with ipodlinux? xD 20:39 < BleuLlama> "easily" is a relative term. ;) 20:41 < Marius> mhh.... i'm almost linux-newbie ^^ 20:45 < Marius> yet another question: i can just find files from 2004 on sourceforge... is that correct? 20:45 < BleuLlama> correct 20:45 < BleuLlama> thins will be easier to do once the wiki is back online next week 20:46 < Marius> ...i'll wait 20:47 < Marius> thx... i'm looking forward on next week 20:47 < Marius> cya 20:48 < Marius> & thanks for the information 20:48 -!- Marius [n=irc@d152022.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [] 21:31 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:55 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has joined #iPodLinux 22:11 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:33 -!- HellDragon [n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon] has quit [Client Quit] 22:48 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has joined #iPodLinux 22:52 -!- HellDragon [n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon] has joined #ipodlinux 23:43 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Sun Sep 28 00:00:01 2008